Tuesday, February 02, 2010

Fish list










BUTTER FISH-infested
COD SABLE FARM RAISED-not infested
COD/SABLE SMOKED ALASKA/CHINA-infested
FLOUNDER- YELLOW TAIL, YELLOW FIN SOLE, DABS (wild), black dabs –infested
FLOUNDER-FLUKE, GEORGES, TILAPIA- not infested
HAKE- infested
HALIBUT- EAST COAST, WEST COAST- infested
HALIBUT- FARM RAISED – not infested
HERRING- Russia, Holland, Germany - Infested
Herring- Canada- not infested
POLLOCK FRESH & FROZEN-infested
RED PERCH- infested

SALMON WILD- CHILE, NORWEIGIAN – not infested
SALMON WILD- infested
SALMON CANNED-INFESTED
SCROD- infested
SEA BASS FRESH & FROZEN chili & peru, SMOKED SABLE- infested
SOL- infested

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Whose list is this?

Yudel Shain said...

Mostly chevra mehadrin, rockland county, ny

Anonymous said...

yudel, were you by the shiur that Bess gave on Motzoei Shabbos in Park Terrace. I heard that he brought fish but could only find one bug altogether.

Anonymous said...

http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2273&Itemid=555

sweetness in wine was seen as totally unsophisticated by the cognoscenti and budding wine enthusiasts with a stigma of wine ignorance if seen to drinking something medium dry or off-dry. This is largely a hangup from ... a number of scandals involving adulterating wine with ethylene glycol (automotive antifreeze) to sweeten artificially.

Anonymous said...

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/02/vietnams-black-pepper-is-outbreak-source/

Somewhere in the 135,000 tons of fresh black pepper Vietnam shipped around the world last year is the end of a supply chain that is making people sick in the United States.

Brooklyn's Wholesome Spice, which until recently had Rhode Island's Daniele Inc. as a client, got its black pepper from a supplier in Vietnam.

Sold by Wholesome Spice to Daniele Inc., the imported pepper was contaminated with Salmonella. Daniele, Inc. used the pepper to coat its salami, and Americans are becoming sick.

An outbreak of Salmonella Montevideo associated with brands of salami made by Daniele has now spread to 42 states and sickened 203.

As for pepper imported from Vietnam, FDA blocked shipments from the Asian nation several times last year. Importers that had shipments blocked include: Olam Vietnam Ltd. VKL Vietnam Ltd., Phuc Hung Food Co. Ltd., Vinh Hiep Co., and Ltd Sonaco.

Anonymous said...

http://www.jacksoncountychronicle.com/articles/2010/01/20/opinion/02vine.txt

Florida detectives found two banned antibiotics — iproflaxacin and enroflxacine — in honey from China. This alert came on the heels of a previous alert seven years ago because officials found the banned antibiotic Chloramphenicol. This antibiotic is restricted because of its disease-causing side effects. Officials found some honey tainted with pesticides.

In addition to the problems identified by the Seattle Post Intelligencer series, in November 2008 the FDA warned of honey adulterated with corn or cane syrup. These adulterations are done to increase the bulk and selling price of the honey.

http://www.examiner.com/x-33676-Northeast-Beekeeping-Examiner~y2010m1d20-Wisconson-considers-a-bill-to-protect-beekeepers-and-consumers-from-honey-laundering

Seattle Post-Intelligencer uncovered a global scheme to move honey from China to the US through various indirect routes. The so-called "honey laundering" severely undercut the price of domestic honey. In 2008 the US imported 231.4 million pounds of honey and US beekeepers produced 160.9 million pounds of honey.

Anonymous said...

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=220675

Most spices, particularly red chilli, turmeric powder and coriander, are being sold to customers after mixing them with coloured bran. Black tea, both packed and unpacked, is being adulterated with a number of substances like shells of grams, which were coloured even with chicken blood, to give dark colour to it.

A number of shopkeepers are selling adulterated dairy products like butter, which is prepared by mixing animal fats to the milk from which cream has already been separated.

Anonymous said...

http://www.risingkashmir.com/?option=com_content&task=view&id=20379

A Srinagar Court has granted bail to three persons accused of making fake saffron.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know whether there's a problem with brook trout?

Alaska rainbow trout said...

http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php?t=40060

White parasites on rainbow trout??
I caught a couple of beautiful rainbows this past weekend out of a lake north of Wasilla. The fish were in great shape, beautiful colors and lots of weight through the girth.
Both fish had some sort of white specks attached to them in various parts of their bodies. At first sight before landing, it looked like the spots that can develope on spawning salmon when they start to deteriorate. But on closer examination these white specks seemed to be some kind of a parasite or kind of something similar to sea lice.
I have never seen this on trout from anywhere until now.
Can anyone out there give me any info on what this might be?

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It is always bad to hear of this kind of stuff, but it is also not good to not hear what lake might be affected. What lake was it. There aren't any "secret" lakes in this vicinity and it might actually help get this under control, if candid information was shared with the community. In the interim, I suggest you contact the Palmer Office of the ADF&G and let them know of your findings. Better yet, take a sample to them, with specifics, date caught, and LOCATION. There are many parasites that can affect fish, particularly in lakes. When it happens, it means there is something wrong in the ecosystem of the lake or creek. A bunch of Rainbows are dying off in the Tal and Canyon creeks, a parasite that gets in their gills.

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There are some bows that have them in the kenai (river). I usullay notice that the (rain)bows that have them are thin. We caught several in the 24 inch range that looked like torpedoes,. Not fat at all. Every thin fish had these things in the gills

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I've caught many fish in south central lakes that had these copepods on them. Usually, the fish are good sized ones, say 16" and up. Sometimes they have internal parasites to go along with the copepods. I caught a rainbow out of Big Lake last fall that had copepods. I killed the fish as it was gill hooked and bleeding badly. When I cleaned it, I was completely grossed out but what I found inside. Lots of white lesions on the belly walls and internal organs, and lots of very fine, white worms, some of which were at least a few inches long. I'm surprised the fish was alive. Needless to say, I didn't eat the fish.

I took lots of pics of the fish, internal and external and sent them to biologist Dave Rutz in Palmer. He wasn't surprised at all and wasn't nearly as concerned as I was. I was surprised at his nonchalance, but I guess (based on his reaction) it's common for fish around here to have these sorts of parasites and that it's not a big deal to ADF&G.

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The copepod in question is Salmincola. These parasites feed on blood and epithelial tissue. They can kill their host if the infestation is severe.

Scottish trout said...

When Chaimowitz had a grocery store on Ave J, he used to import Rob Roy brand of canned Scottish brook trout under hashgocho.

http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/physiology/parasite.htm

Parasites of Trout and Salmon

Parasites living on the external surface of the host (Ectoparasites)

Sea-lice (3/4 inch)

Often found on salmon and sea trout. Generally fairly positively viewed by anglers, because as sea-lice are unable to survive for long in freshwater, their presence indicates a fresh-run fish.
Unfortunately, they create a problem where fish farms are located at the mouth of a river. They have been credited with causing the major problem for young sea trout, and a significant reduction (80% in 20 years) in sea trout populations in North West Scotland.

Carp Lice (Argulus) (3/16 inch)

An oval, flat, transparent body which can make it difficult to see. The two dark eyes at the top are prominent, with two suckers below which it uses to attach itself to the host. Between the suckers is the proboscis mouth used to extract the body fluids of its victim. Had one of these horrors transfer to my wet hand when I was gutting an infected trout.

Gill maggots (1/4 inch)

The female, with a pair of long egg-sacs is sometimes found infesting the gills of salmon.
The other end is in the form of a sucker by means of which it attaches itself to the fish.

Parasites that live inside the host (Endoparasites)

Eye Flukes

The symptoms are obvious to an angler who has caught an infected fish, with the eye being cloudy and flukes readily visible inside the eye. Eye Fluke in fish is a stage in the life-cycle of Diplostomum Spacatheum which begins in a snail (Lymnaea), moving to a fish, with the final host being a piscivorous bird.

Eggs are passed out with the bird's faeces, giving rise to miracidium larvae which penetrate the snails. Snails can release millions of cercariae over a short period, and these penetrate the flank of the fish, often along the lateral line creating a sandpaper-like feel on the skin of the fish. These extensive haemorrhagic lesions are often mistaken for a bacterial infection. As the cercariae migrate to the eye or brain along the blood vessels, severe damage to internal organs can result, indicated by abnormal swimming, spinal deformity or skin discolouration. Up to 150 flukes can accumulate in the Vitreous Humor and the retina of the eye of a trout and as numbers increase, blindness results and the fish, unable now to locate its food, becomes an easier target for a predatory bird. Brown trout however are almost immune to this infection.

Anonymous said...

http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/argulus.htm

Detailed article on fish lice

Anonymous said...

http://www.capcvet.org/recommendations/trematodes.html

Picture and information on the trematode flatworm in salmon. This parasite infects people that eat the infected salmon.

While in the fish, they are "metacercaria", usually round or spherical, the intermediate stages of parasite that becomes full grown inside people eating it.

Anonymous said...

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1540812

A study at 12 trout farms in Michigan found a dozen different types of parasites in all species of trout, with Brook trout having the most infestation.

Anonymous said...

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3278487

Parasites in California Golden trout.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3279681

Washington State trout

http://afsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8640(1971)33[103:POCTFY]2.0.CO;2

Wyoming trout

http://www.isbs.com/partnumber.asp?pnid=298321

Atlantic salmon & Canadian Arctic Charr fish

Other studies have found parasite incidence in Maryland and Montana.

Anonymous said...

Is the intermediate stage of a worm also assur?

Anonymous said...

http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/resources/factsheets/spaghettiworms.htm

Spaghetti worms are common parasites of saltwater fish in the drum family, which include speckled and white trout, black drum, redfish, and croakers. While they look alike to most fishermen, several different worms use these fish as hosts. Most common in sea trout is Poecilancistrium caryophyllum. Worms found in black drum are most often Pseudogrillotia pIeistacantha. For ease of discussion, we will dispose of these tongue-twisting Latin names and refer to them all as spaghetti worms.

Fishermen frequently find these white, one to three inch long worms when filleting their catch. In trout they are usually found in the middle of the fillet in the area just below the dorsal fin. Research has shown that approximately 40% of Louisiana and Mississippi speckled trout are host to spaghetti worms, with an average of between one and two worms occurring per fish. It may appear that many more worms exist, but often one worm is cut into several pieces during filleting. Spaghetti worms in black drum are more common near the tail of the fish with a typical fish hosting 5 to 15 specimens.

The spaghetti worms we see in these fish are really parasitic tapeworms of sharks, who are just using the trout or drum as an intermediate host. The cycle begins with eggs produced by an eight-inch long adult worm which lives in a shark's intestine. After being passed into seawater, the egg hatches into a tiny swimming larva called a coracidium. If this larva is eaten within two days by a small marine crustacean like a copepod, it develops into another stage called a procercoid.

At this stage some uncertainty exists as to what happens. The copepod may be eaten by a trout, passing the larval worm on the trout. However, since small animals like copepods are seldom eaten by larger trout and since very few trout under ten inches long have spaghetti worms, another host is suspected. More than likely, a small bait fish like an anchovy eats the copepod and it in turn is eaten by the larger trout. In any case, once the larval worm is in the trout's digestive tract, it tunnels its way into the trout's flesh where it may live for several years. The life cycle is completed when a shark eats the trout and serves as host for the adult worm.

The fact that a spaghetti worm may live several years (up to 6 or 7) may surprise many fishermen, since they often claim that more fish are infected in one season than another. This may possibly be due to different populations of trout with different infection rates, moving up and down in a marsh system seasonally.

The number of trout carrying worms seems to be directly related to the characteristics and quality of the water in which the trout live. In general, the saltier the water and the less polluted it is, the higher the levels of infection are. This may be due to either one of the intermediate host's or the larval worm's needs for saline, unpolluted waters.

Another interesting fact is that once a trout becomes host to one or several spaghetti worms, it seems to develop an immunity to further infections. If this were not the case, large, old fish would have many more worms than a 12- or 14-inch fish, but they don't.

Finally, while the spaghetti worm may be somewhat unappealing to the eye, it certainly doesn't prevent good eating. Since, they are large enough to easily see, they are simple to remove during the filleting process. Simply grab the worm between the knife blade and thumb and gently pull it out. With a little practice, it becomes easy.

Many people don't even bother to remove them before cooking. After cooking, they are unnoticeable and cannot be tasted. In a survey conducted at Mississippi fishing rodeos a few years ago, less than 25% of the trout fishermen avoided eating fish with worms.

Anonymous said...

Number of fish in Quebec with parasites

https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/3942/1/V52N04_210.pdf

Speckled trout 100%
Black bullhead 100%
Yellow Perch 40%
Walleye 100%
Northern Pike 38%
Chain Pickerel 100%
Smallmouth Black Bass 100%

Anonymous said...

http://www.nzes.org.nz/nzje/free_issues/ProNZES11_23.pdf

New Zealand trout infested with parasitic isopod crustaceans.

Anonymous said...

Louisiana

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/fishing/programs/animal/spottedseatrout.cfm

Spotted seatrout are potential hosts to numerous endo (internal) and ecto (external) parasites, the most common being the metacestode (juvenile) stage of the parasitic tapeworm Poecilancistrium caryophyllum (commonly called spaghetti worms). Tapeworm larvae are elongated with a terminal bulbous enlargement, appear whitish-opaque in color, and encyst (imbed) in the flesh of the trout on either side of the vertebral column. Parasites are probably transmitted to the spotted seatrout when the trout ingest shrimp, which harbor the tapeworm larvae. This parasite does not, in effect, target the spotted seatrout, which are indirect hosts for the tapeworm. The tapeworm's "target" hosts are top predators such as the bull and lemon shark, which prey on spotted seatrout.

Anonymous said...

http://wildlife.state.co.us/Research/Aquatic/WhirlingDisease/WDResistantTroutBroodstock.htm

The Hofer species of trout in Colorado have a resistance to parasites.

Anonymous said...

http://books.google.com/books?id=PcEogUW9yvwC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=trout+parasites&source=bl&ots=26vDl2BYS2&sig=eYC80Im_eS9D9JVsEBDs0hDBjhU&hl=en&ei=g6FpS5zaJMKUtgefo6nYBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=94&ved=0CNMDEOgBMF0#v=onepage&q=trout%20parasites&f=false

Coastal Cutthroat trout in Oregon seem to have the most infestation, sometimes with over 500 parasites per fish.

http://www.tnfish.org/FishDiseasesParasites_TWRA/files/BlackSpotBrookTrout.pdf

Fish in Maine have the black grub parasite.

Anonymous said...

Ikea stores have been selling Swedish herring with a fake hashgocho. Rabbi Edelman used to be the rov in Stockholm and 10 years after he left to become the rov in Helsinki, Finland and no longer supervising the Swedish plant, they were still printing his symbol on the label.

In any case, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about Swedish style herring that the Swedes like it rancid, almost to the point of being completely rotten and that it is one of the most disgusting things you could ever taste.

Anonymous said...

Does R' Yudel know of any hashgochos to add here?

The hashgochos with a reputation of being on top of new insect infestation situations as they happen are:

R' Moishe Vaye
R' Shia Katz (Magrub)
5 Towns Vaad
Rav Beck (Flatbush)
R' Shneur Zalman Revach (not sure if he actually gives hashgocho to anyone)

Anonymous said...

Fyi, Chilean Sea Bass (mistomme Peruvian is same thing), is not the Sea Bass species. It is a very hideously ugly looking fish called the Toothfish that the restaurant industry nicknames Sea Bass for marketing reasons. It is much cheaper than real Sea Bass.

Anonymous said...

Shrecklich that it's full of worms. Smoked sable is the only connection to Yiddishkeit that the alter freye shmageggies have besides bagels & cream cheese.

Fresser said...

What does the OU do about their shpitz restaurants serving exotic fishes? Did they do a study of each species?

Anonymous said...

Is the high end lox made from wild salmon? And if it is, is it still a problem if sliced very thin?

Anonymous said...

The NY Times reported a scam out of Maine where cottages with private lakes are rented out for the summer. There are thousands of small lakes in the state and the owners don't advertise that they are all teeming with the biggest blood sucking leeches that you have ever seen. Even when people go in the water, they are swarmed within minutes and it takes hours to pull dozens of these things off your body.

Yudel Shain said...

I don't know if all of the named Rabbis or org. do have a good handle on infestation.
Rav Shlomo Miller should be coming out with something soon. Rav Via will be coming out with something soon.

The big question is "is this the worms in the flesh that Chazal addressed? If yes, then it's not ossur.

Yudel Shain said...

Sliced thin? cuts the beriah in half-interesting, if it does.

Sof Ba said...

Did anyone check the Skverrer fish for parasites?

Yudel Shain said...

The Skver fish would talk & say they have parasites.

Anonymous said...

anon,
this revach guy OWNS a fish company. he is not a reliable source.

Yudel Shain said...

REVACH? yes Revach-Oh, I got it.

Anonymous said...

Rav Salomon grada asked the Skverer rebbe about it and was told the fish store guy is a known baal dimyon.

Were the Mexican workers also baalei dimyon or could they have been fooled with a high tech prank?

The NY Times had a hilarious interview with one of the workers who complained he can't sleep because Spanish speaking rabbonim are calling him from all over the world to ask him what happened.

Anonymous said...

R' Shneur Zalman Revach really owns a fish company? Which one?

He was the first one on top of the romaine lettuce situation years ago and got it right. What's your conspiracy theory there?

Yudel Shain said...

Rav Revach gives a hashgocha to fish companies that he sends their fish to China to remove the larger worms "only the larger ones".

He is trying very hard to get the Dagim account-to give a hashgocha on it, not just to take care of the worms.

Anonymous said...

Dagim processes their fish in Winnipeg. Is it possible that they share facilities with Freshwater Fish Corp., which best known for the farshlofenna OU mashgiach?

Yosef Mokir Shabbos said...

Except for introductions of parasites to new areas, there have always been parasites in some fish.

Do any old seforim mention checking for worms like we do now or not eating types of fish because they are too infested?

Anonymous said...

When I was a child, I had a large aquarium with many tropical fish. One day I was up in the country and caught a small fish in a stream with a cup. I brought the fish home to put in the aquarium. As I was pouring it in, I noticed a little worm being poured out with the water. It was too late as the worm quickly disappeared. I tried changing the water several times but I could not get rid of the worm which I suspected was behind every fish starting to die, one by one. One day when almost every fish was dead, I noticed a sick fish had the worm hanging half way out of it's body. I threw the fish out and the few remaining ones survived.

This little worm singlehandedly killed about 2 dozen fish.

Anonymous said...

Many rabbonim, including at major hashgochos, say that spices and black tea do not need hashgocho.

Aren't the articles cited here proof enough that they are mistaken?

Anonymous said...

20 years ago at the pizza shop on 4th St off Clifton, there was that guy with the funny hat. The Fallsburg chevra called him Yosef Mokir Shabbos.